Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24431758-20140313050841/@comment-25402775-20161115055406

68.231.68.25  first of all she's not a 'complete' scumbag, yes she's annoying, usless, and a b**ht but not a scumbag. The reason why we are even able to understand other villian's action is simply because we have a sense of what drived then to do what they are willing to do. Haoqin, one of the most confiremd craziest characters in the series by the aurthor himself(or of similar nature I honestly don't remember what it was), we can understand him because we have that background information, to surppress his father.

What do we know about Rachel? Besides raising Baam to what he is. What do we know before she met him? What do we know during the time she took care of him? What do we know of her reason to even see the stars in the first place? If her main wish was to see the stars why did she push Baam out of the bubble? and don't say sh*t like: "she's a bitch." or "She's a manipulator." No, either tell me the actual reason or at the very least give a possible reason to her action and not just pure hate, I'm not intrested in that.

I don't like her. I won't deny that, but its just SIU has been building up a lot of mystery to her character as a whole, her unknown past, and her connection to Baam that I can't just hate her right now untill I know more about her.

going by your reasons to hate her.

Shallow? I don't see it honestly but I guess thats just me. Self-centered? Well, its not something uncommon in this tower so if you dislike one you dislike them all I guess. Manipulative? same thing I guess? Piece of Garbage? well personal opinion aside. She wants people to die to move her towards her goal? I honestly don't see that in her actions. Manipulate his friends into takeing her up then killing them? For one they personally chose to do that she never made them do it Koon is proof, he know what she did but chose to 'carry' her up the tower despite knowing he could of killed her in revenge and was within the rights to do so, even if he only had a suspitous idea what happened but he chose not too.

Doesn't even carry her own weight? If that is the case then Wangan's team is the same boat as her since one can not deny that they wouldn't be where they are now, at this point in time at least, if it wasn't for Baam's soft heart. Also jsut because we don't see her doing things to contribute to her team doesn't mean that she not carrying some weight, just that compared to the reast of her team, she not up to par, which is not a bad thing especialy considering the fact that she has admited to her weakness and' 'uslessness'. She just has the courage to still face the difficulties of climbing the tower with people more stronger then her in many ways, yes I do call her couragous because talking 'down' to a near perfect White, even if its not the most honoble of ways is still pretty, and mind my language, b**lies. The only time where she hurt someone was with Dan and in certin perspectives that is justifilible even if Dan's actions was also justifiable, both of them were right in their own way and you can't deny this since Siu has basically stated that the Morality in the Tower is not as black and white as one would expect. Finally I'm neither in denialy or ignorant, I understand her flaws and reasons to not like it its just I'm trying to keep my final opinion on Rachel open untill I have more information about her.