Talk:Vol.2 Ch.194: 38F - Hell Train: The Dallar Show (23)/@comment-5693502-20160321051916/@comment-26484417-20160323125321

@Demotivator: First, we know that a non-Irregular can surpass an Irregular, few of them have already done that (e.g., Adori, Molic One, Lustec, etc). Even if you're actually related to the 10GWs, there is still Enne whom surpassed both Blossom and Gustang, though her bar has been raised as high as Zahard himself when she became Zahard Princess.

The issue is about surpassing those whose power you inherit, when one parent is notably weaker than the other parent. It most likely cannot be done naturally, because the power is diluted by the drag factor of the weaker parent. In the case of Zahard Princesses, the stronger "parent" is Zahard, in the case of 10GWs' children, the stronger parent is one particular GW. If two of the 10GW have children, they shouldn't suffer from the drag factor, but that still doesn't mean such child is definitely going to surpass its parents, only that it's possible naturally. There are still variables like talent, luck, etc.

The only known ways to go outside the natural talents and potential of an individual are the Thorn (i.e., Irregular power = evil and blasphemy in the Tower) are the soul magic (i.e., Demon power = evil and blasphemy in the Tower)... And we know that the former may have been beyond the reach of non-Irregulars from the beginning, without them even realising it.

So you see, Arie Hon didn't have to know about the existence of demons, or even about this particular demon that deals with souls... assuming each demon has different modus operandi. Hon merely had to make two things clear: (1) Hoaqin cannot surpass him if he remains "within the box", and (2) there might be a chance if he goes "outside the box". Given how the Zahard rule views anyone who goes against the Zahard or the 10 GW, even if he wasn't literally contracted by a demon, he would still be considered one. The reason the Demon found Hoaqin in the first place was most likely because he was a suitable contractor, and he only became a suitable contractor because Arie Hon opened his eyes to alternative paths.

So indeed, it's Arie Hon's fault that Hoaqin turned this way, but "fault" implies failure. Following Hon's words, Hoaqin ultimately became White; one of the very few existences in Tower that can—given enough souls—potentially surpass even Arie Hon himself. In other words, Hon's words actually inspired an untested, albeit likely, scenario for success. So you can indeed call it Arie Hon's fault, but you can just as easily call it Arie Hon's merit. It all comes down to what you'd prefer: Hoaqin the "just another talented Ranker of the Arie family", or White the "FUG Slayer whose soul-eating magic may lead him to overcome even Arie Hon"?