User talk:GoDai

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Tower of God Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Mule Love page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Tofu21 (Talk) 07:13, June 12, 2012

Re: Infobox, Korean names, etc.
Hi GoDai, thanks and welcome to the Wiki! ^__^

Yes, more help from people who can read Korean will be good. xD

Well, I do think that is a good idea and thanks for suggesting it. However, I'd like to discuss this suggestion with the other admins, if it's okay with you. :p I've already contacted them but some of them are busy, so it will take at least 3 to 4 days for them to read and reply.

Tofu21 08:23, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Mistranslation?
Hey, welcome to the wiki, quick question would you mind translating the text in this image for me? It's from Tower of God, just need some confirmation on what it says, so if you could do that it'd be appreciated. Just click the word image to get to the image. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 08:24, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Tuesday Translations
So you can read Korean then, ey? You could be a very valuable user - Would you mind providing us with rough translations of ToG every Tuesday or so? This could be great! Have a think about it for a while. :D

High Ranker 3 - User:Zahard 08:37, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Just a brief summary every Tuesday (the day after the release) would be excellent. :D

High Ranker Number Three - Zahard 22:07, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Korean names
Actually it was Androssi talking about Rachel. Thanks appreciate it :) &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 01:33, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

If I could find any I would, but if you want you can give us the Korean for the characters names so we can add it to the infoboxes? &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 05:22, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

That does help thanks :) &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 08:54, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Translation sources?
Okay I assume the other admins have answered about the other stuff... that you asked me. 'Cos I let them see your message.

So yes, about the translations: we're using The Company's version. And all the English names are derived from that version.

About the Androssi thing... well, apparently, there was some other meaning: that Akryung was already with Rachel, when Androssi met them.

http://towerofgod.wikia.com/wiki/Q%26A

I don't remember where the original link correction was... lolz. Just gimme some time, if you wanna see it because yeah i'm a bit piled with editing the wiki.

Tofu21 10:31, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Weapons, and Phantaminum
Thank you, that was a quite important mistranslation so thanks :) &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 01:04, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Creating those pages is a great idea and could you put the source to Phantaminum being an Exis on his page? &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 04:37, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmations
don't worry, we've already made the relevant corrections and put that in the Q & A page. I can't remember if I put that into Androssi's page... ugh, so many things to add into the Wiki. Thanks for taking the time to explain.


 * pants* Wow, you guys are going really fast... keep it up! :P

Also, can you confirm these 2 things? Take your time.

http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/4283-what-was-the-power-flowing-into-baam-in-the-last-exam/page__view__findpost__p__97053

Yes, have you ever ever seen anything in the public blog entries about this? I was just curious.

http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/1239-tower-of-god-titles-positions-definitions-more/page__st__40__p__16785#entry16785

Oh yeah, there's a lot of stuff I've yet to add about Positions. So, you don't need to translate all these things.

http://forums.mangafox.me/threads/368522-Additional-information-about-TOG-from-the-author-Spoiler

Meanwhile, I will continue doing what I do... combining some of the facts SIU has laid out and try to put it into context. There're so many things he doesn't tell people outright and he tends to scatter the clues all over. Like what else Guide does, the 120++ Rulers(because of that, I'd to revamp the entire Zahard Empire page and junk everything else), the chosen systems and so on. And it's torture. T.T

Tofu21 05:08, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Exis, etc
Thanks heaps! Any other handy things you might have would be greatly appreciated. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 06:23, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Strange Power, Confirmation Tasks
Yep, it's okay... take your time. There's a long time more before Part 2 even ends.

Tofu21 06:55, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

And about Baam and that strange power, I'll keep that in mind.

Tofu21 06:55, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Translated page of SIU's notes
Ahhh erm, the info should... all go into individual pages on the Wiki.

Like: guardians page, shinhueh page, etc. Otherwise, we'll never be able to sort it out.

Unless you want to create a page, that's like a giant text dump or something. Or the page contain notes where the info is going into. Like: original raw link, what page translated info is found in, etc.

Also about names, is it possible to create a separate page 'cos just posting on each page isn't always advised? We might miss it out and forget to rename it.

Okay oops, so forgot to confirm this: the translations about the power thing... definitely are vague but also, hint at something else? Because this is what I want to confirm: is the direct translation right or wrong?

"btw The Company translations were a bit off in chap 65...in the company version Baam said 'a feeling as if a huge wave is flowing in' but the direct translation is 'a feeling as if a huge power is surging and flowing into me.' I think that might have confused some people."

http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/4283-what-was-the-power-flowing-into-baam-in-the-last-exam/page__view__findpost__p__97053

The company's version keeps talking about a strange feeling, a strong wave, a certain strength.

http://www.batoto.net/read/_/31039/tower-of-god_v1_ch63_by_the-company

http://www.batoto.net/read/_/35369/tower-of-god_v1_ch65_by_the-company

Tofu21 23:42, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh I see now... about this page thing. It's a good idea but do mention to the other admins, so they can weigh in on it.

But the problem is: a lot of users just won't find the Page. Unless you want to put in all notes into the Shinsoo page as well. Do you intend to do that?

Oh yes, sorry for giving you yet another thing to do but... later on, can you check out my latest comment on the Reel Inventory page. It seems there's some problem now: the Arms inventory seems the same as the Reel inventory.

Because Yuri Zahard's arms inventory had a reel function. At the same time, the pinned threads in the Batoto forum mention Fisherman has Reel inventory + Arms inventory + Armor inventory. damnit, I gave up trying to check.

Tofu21 01:03, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

If you look at Androssi's and Anak's inventories, they also have a reel function. They're capable of storing weapons. Same for Wangnan's.

Do contact Zahard and Urek. They're the 2 active admins... Baam25th is kinda busy sometimes.

I'll reply to the rest later. ^^

Tofu21 04:27, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Info page on blog
Yeah you can do that it's a good idea :) &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 07:36, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Go here http://towerofgod.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:GoDai and create a blog post. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 08:18, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

So far it's pretty good ^.^ remember the sources though and I can read a wall of text I don't need CTRL+F :P &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 10:25, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe seperate them according to category for instance I noticed that source page you provided has about 12 headings, maybe one page for each? &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 23:49, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that works ^.^ &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 00:24, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

' 비선별인원 '

그들은 헤돈에 의해 선별되지 아니하고,

탑의 문을 스스로 열고 들어온 사람들을 지칭한다.

대표적인 예로 펜타미넘, 엔류 , 우렉 마지노 , 밤 , 라헬 등을 뽑을 수 있다.

(자하드도 비선별인원이 맞지만, 그들이 들어올 시기에는 '비선별인원' 이라는 말 자체가 없었습니다.)

I think that's what you're looking for ^.^ &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 03:08, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick message, when adding the translations of a characters name add it in a new section called Alternate Translations at the bottom of their page, thanks. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 06:10, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Create a new section under the Notes and Trivia and then list them like so

Alternate Translations
In this example the page used is Phantaminum, if you think a name is actually incorrect, discuss a change with Zahard as he knows Korean and is the best admin for you to talk to about that, but first and foremost we use The Company's names, if you think the name is different just add it to the alternate translations section at the bottom of the page. Just add the pronunciation to the alternate translations section, also if a character has an info box, add the Korean into a new row of the box, if not just put it where you have been P.S we don't use the english names from the stat cards because I'm not aware of SIU's English ability.
 * Pentahmineom
 * Pentaminum

Yeah but for consistency's sake we keep the names as they are, the only chance for a name change might be for new characters, as we don't have to worry about the fanbase being used to the name yet, but yeah the alternate translations section is there to cater for the differences, I plan to add redirects at some point, also I appreciate the pronunciations it's great to have a better idea of how to say the characters' names. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 06:38, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Name Issues
As to the subject of names - I had the same problem at first too. However, my reccomendation is that you can place these names in brackets, Korean and then Revised Rominization, both in italic. The Company occasionally refers to us directly and includes us in the introduction of Tower of God's official translated upload, so we are inclined to use their translations as the main names for our pages. But go ahead with the directly translated names, like Sib Yi Soo. We do have to keep them in brackets though. One thing to remember is that The Company alters the names slightly so they sound more "audibly pleasing" spoken out for the English language. :D

High Ranker Number Three - Zahard 07:41, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I do understand the problem you're talking about.

High Ranker Number Three - Zahard 07:47, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Just want to say that you are pretty awesome :P (forgot the signature ._.)

Sniter 15:38, June 19, 2012 (UTC) Sniter

I give up!!!! Please add them later if you've the time.
I completely completely surrender...

Okay, I give up on trying to add Prince and Akraptor’s and Nya Nia's names… sheez, I can break down hanja since I’m Chinese but I’m not about to learn how to read them so I can romanise the names. >__<

Prince: 프린스 Hon Akraptor: 혼 아크랩터 Nya Nia: 냐 니아

Oh and I'm gonna scream. Why in the hell does Yeon family name read as 연 but not show up in his blog entries when I search for it? Anyways, I don't know what Yihwa's given name is...it's your turn now to go type them out lol....

I can tell all of these names... actually I found them by drawing out Miseng's name and inputting it into SIU's blog and searching:

여 미생(Yeo MiSeng) 여 고생(Yeo GoSeng)

(강호량, Kang HoRyang)

I managed to discover a few days ago that Miseng and Goseng probably come from the same family and probably, same generation level since they share same characters for surnames and generation names, so I added that into their pages. Well unless they all come from the same Place then I'll revise it.

Oh yes btw, a word of warning: my Chinese is horrendous so err yep, don't ask me to translate anything. I won't have any ideas at all.

Tofu21 19:32, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

a____a
hey man, thanks for all ur work! TOG is the most amazing manwha ever.

i was wondering, in ur last work u said that Give My Earth Back is openly avaible, i cant seem to find it, do you have a link where i can read it?

thanks :P


 * SIU's earlier works are credited to his previous username, inutero3334. The comics are here, but most have been taken down. inutero3334 만화.. Another problem: "Challenger" comics are not available from June 21 to 27 for technical problems :S. Wait until June 28 :P GoDai 22:30, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Shinsoo-related Korean text
Hey, whenever you can get around to it (make sure you've finished studying first :P), can you have a look at the korean here, it's copied from a blog post from SIU it's about Shinsoo, early - mid May it was posted, anyways here's the link https://docs.google.com/document/d/16Fdhnu5Mp0NiHhArNbMjJAgMq1AnOQWAku_0sKTIRVY/edit?pli=1 &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 06:35, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

It's from the private blog I think, because the person I got it from has access to that. It may have to be left without a source until someone can get the link to it. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 23:59, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah you can translate, just put Source: SIU's Private Blog at the bottom of your translations. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 01:28, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Great job, thanks for that ^.^ if I find any other interesting stuff, I'll let you know, but anyways hope your exam today goes well! &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 05:57, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

No problem and thanks for translating that, The Company collected the Korean, but the translation has been on hold for over a month, so I figured I'd ask you and well I'm impressed ^.^ Thanks for adding the info too :) I really want to learn Korean now >_< &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 06:45, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe you can teach me! :P I hear English is difficult to learn, what do you think? Also can you look over my edit to the Shinsoo page to make sure I didn't do any damage to the original meaning? Thanks &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 07:09, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay, and just so you know, to my knowledge Baang and Room have been used interchangeably, but if you want to check for yourself here's a picture which should contain one of the words :P you can tell me which is used, http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/269/roomorbaang.png &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 08:11, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

So the two are effectively interchangeable, but Bang or Baang is more correct in this context (the context being ToG)? &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 09:08, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your tranlsations
I'll add the names and the moon stuff and other things soon after I recover from this horrible cough. I actually added the names wrongly lol much earlier before realising that crap, should've checked with you first.

Btw, most or all of the terms used on the Wiki reflect The Company's terms.

So, if we're going to divert from them"(if it's a mistranslation), we need to add notes so we don't confuse the users. They used "rooms", "dansoolsa", "wonsoolsa", "wave controller", "Miseng" and so on.

It's best if we don't divert too much unless it's a wrong translation. If it's just a different way of romanising a term, we can add as a alternate romanisation like "dansoolsa" vs "dansulsa". I know TC also has used "dansoolsa" before but they changed to "dansulsa".

They actually use Miseng but oh well... xP.

"Testing Administrator" is pretty much the same as examiner so we shouldn't divert, imho. And it's not that important.

Also, these are the terms TC uses:

http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/1239-tower-of-god-titles-positions-definitions-more/

They've got other pinned threads(but not that relevant as the Q&A thread is just mainly for speculating, discussing theories and so on):

The Master blog translations thread isn't always up-to-date and the re-translated Top 15 profiles are up on Part 2 chapter pages: end parts.(I've added most of them... but not everything. Also, they haven't released no.1 to no. ? yet.)

http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/4774-master-author-blogtranslations-thread-2-updated-2012-03-12/

This is the English version of TOG:

http://www.batoto.net/comic/_/comics/tower-of-god-r1

Also, I double-checked the Hanzi words you added/corrected on the Shinsoo page. They're correct. At least I remember some of my chinese characters(ugh so pathetic).

Tofu21 14:12, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="font-size:13px;">Well, I highly appreciate your translating efforts so far. Please keep them up! ^^ They're excellent and a great addition to this site.

I do understand your perspective as a translator and your interest in adhering to the most accurate terms. However, the Wiki is a reference site for those who've read the English comic(Batoto's version). These people are mainly or only familiar with the English terms, used by The Company. It's like some of the signs of a building are wrong but they've been in use for so many years, people would be confused if they're suddenly changed.

Please read the Master Blog thread, as it does indicate TC knows Wave Controller also = Wave Catcher and so on... but, they stuck to Wave Controller.

I feel there needs to be some leeway allowed, unless we want to confuse everyone. At least quite a few of the Korean loanwords don't adhere exactly to the original English or whatever pronunciations, don't they? Yet, there's accomodation for the wrong sounds, right? It's unlikely we'll hear the Korean government declaring they'll rewrite much of the language and insert many new sounds, so the Korean language can properly and accurately "import" all loan words. ^^;;

It's the same way for this Wiki, I think. There may be issues here and there but going gentle on errors, is better, no?

Tofu21 21:46, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ah okay I understand now, I guess TC doesn't know SIU released the hanja for it.&quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 22:06, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hey GoDai! Can you shoot me a youtube message to "ForgivenUnderGrace" please? There's something I need to talk to you about. You'll like it. It will mean we'll be able to play around with translations a bit as well. :D

High Ranker Number Three - Zahard 03:16, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even native English speakers can have problems when it comes to Asian names. Just one "ae" or other change and it throws people off. For people like me and you, we're used to it. But for the rest, it tends to confuse a lot of people greatly. After all, English has only 1 reading and that may even be the same for many or most European languages. Whereas for Asian languages, there're multple ways of romanizing things and people can go like "huh?" even when it's just one extra letter. :P

That's why we don't change around too much either. ;___; After all, I'd love to rename every darn thing for language consistency and so on but well... we gotta realise not everyone can figure out Korean has multiple readings and complex reading rules.

As for certain terms:quite a few of the readers don't count English as their 2nd/3rd language and they may not know Administrator has multiple meanings(synonym).

Also, Shinsoo must be capitalised because well, we count it as a "special term". I'll leave it to you to undo all the changes as I'm a bit tired right now. :P

Sorry for being sloowwww in replying. Damn, I don't want to become an ajumma

How do you young people manage to get the energy to run around like that?

Tofu21 14:19, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, it's okay... this arc hasn't even unfolded much yet so we've lots of time to take it a bit slow.

And really sorry for being long-winded. I wasn't too sure if you'd understand it. :P

As for quite a few of the terms, well... they're already in the master blog link.

Tofu21 02:48, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. :D http://www.youtube.com/user/ForgivenUnderGrace?feature=mhee

Just google "how to send a youtube message". It'll tell you :)

High Ranker Number Three - Zahard 08:34, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Can you translate this please? http://blog.naver.com/inutero3334/140162116166 &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 12:42, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm a little happier with SIU now after reading that ^.^ &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 22:44, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Hey GoDai, would you mind checking SIU's blog for around the 8th, 9th and 10th of this month, to see if you can find anything about the <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;line-height:normal;-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;">deputy director of Office of Ranker/Ranking Management, apparently named Robert Aisand? I wasn't told if it was private or not, but yeah.

&quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 06:03, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Bugga, I got a brief translation of it, and I can't tell if the guy was just picking on Urek/over estimating Phantaminum (from someone who doesn't know he's an Exis)/or if he knows Phantaminum is an Exis. Ah well, thanks for looking, if it's on the private blog hopefully SIU releases it soon I wanna get a glimpse at the character haha. &quot;I am Brutalitops! The Magician...Magic user baby, whaaat?&quot; 09:10, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, this is Tofu21... I managed to get the info about the Robert Aisend character off a Batoto forum member called Gizmos. She's access to the hidden blog(sorry, not he... oops, corrected my mistake).

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">로버트 아이샌드

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">이명: 차가운 파도

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">나이: ???

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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">출생지: ???

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">포지션: ???

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">랭킹: ?

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">탑에서 가장 영향력 있는 단체 중에 하나인 '랭커 관리국'의 부국장.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">(참고로 국장은 토미. 'tommi')

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">자하드조차 그 출생을 모를 정도로 베일에 쌓여져 있는 남자.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">뛰어나고 정확한 일처리 능력과 과묵한 성격 덕분에 '로보트 아이샌드' 라는 별명으로 불리기도 한다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">(한 때 공방에서 만든 사무용 인조인간이라는 소문이 돌기도 했으나 공방에서 '공식적'으로 부인했다)

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">실제로 토미가 부르는 별칭은 '아이샌'

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">토미가 자하드의 명을 받아 랭커 관리국을 세울 때 가장 먼저 자리에 앉힌 인물로서

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">뛰어난 일처리 능력과 정확한 판단력, 카리스마를 가지고 있는 남자이다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">카리스마, 일처리, 판단력 따위 개나 줘버려라고 말하는 듯한 토미와는 정반대의 인물.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">매일 놀러다니는 토미를 대신해 언제나 묵묵히 일을 하고 있다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">아이샌드는 엄밀히 따지자면 랭커가 아니지만 관리국에 채용되었기 때문에 랭커에 준하는 권리를 가지고 있다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">관리국에서 맡는 일은 주로 하이랭커들의 관리와 랭킹의 조정.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">어쩌면 탑에서 가장 중요한 권력을 가지고 있는 자라고 할 수 있다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">탑을 오른 적이 없기 때문에 어느 정도의 전투력을 가지고 있는지는 알 수 없지만

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">본인 말로 '태어나 한 번도 싸워본적이 없다'는 걸 보면 일반인 수준의 전투능력만을 가지고 있는 듯 하다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">하지만 그럼에도 불구하고 하이랭커들 앞에서도 전혀 기죽는 법이 없으며

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">오히려 그들을 압도하는 경우가 많다고 한다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">일례로

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">팬타미넘보다 낮은 자신의 랭킹에 불만을 가진 우렉 마지노가

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">랭커 관리국에 침입해 아이샌드를 붙잡아 놓고 자신의 랭킹을 올리라고 협박한 적이 있었는데

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">"내가 팬타미넘과 싸우는 걸 본 적이 있냐?"

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">고 물어보는 우렉에게 잠시의 망설임도 없이

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">"당신은 패배자(loser)가 될 것입니다."

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">라고 딱 잘라 말해 충격을 받은 우렉마지노가 쓸쓸히 집으로 돌아갈 수 밖에 없었다고 한다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">그 후로 우렉 마지노는 윙트리 내에서 우렉 루저노. 루저렉 마지노, 우루저 멘탈 마지노선 등등으로 불리며 놀림 받았으며

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">이 사건을 재구성한 코믹북, 유머책등이 제작되어 인기리에 판매될 정도였다고 한다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">(백련은 이 코믹스들이 우울증 치료에 큰 효과가 있을거라고 강력하게 주장했다.)

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">아이샌드의 트레이드 마크는 발 끝까지 내려오는 긴 은발의 머리카락인데

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">전체적으로 선이 살아있는 남성적인 외모와 어울리며 묘한 느낌을 준다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">풍채 또한 작은 편이 아니어서 키가 작은 토미와 함께 있으면

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">마치 아버지와 아들같아 보이기도 한다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">앞에서 말했다싶이 아이샌드는 랭커가 아니기 때문에 랭킹에 포함되지 않는게 정상이지만

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">토미의 강력한 장난끼(?)로 인해 랭킹에 포함되게 되었다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">어느 날 토미가 아이샌드에게 자신의 랭킹을 매긴다면 어느 정도 순위를 주겠냐는 메세지를 보냈고

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">아이샌드는 그에 대해 ? 라고 답장했는데

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">그 것을 토미가 그대로 랭킹에 올려버린 것이다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">사실 아이샌드의 랭킹에 관해서는 의견이 분분한데

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">전투력을 제외한 순수 영향력 면에서는 퍼그나 10대 가문의 수장들과도 경쟁할 수 있다는 의견이 전반적이다.

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">(참고로 토미는 랭킹에 포함되어 있지 않다)

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;text-align:center;color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">[출처] 인물도감 ? - 로버트 아이샌드|작성자 SIU

Also, a quick question about Wingtree's name...

(월하익송, Weolhaiksong; most likely 月下翼松; "The Winged Tree Under the Moon")

Btw, that's wingtree's name, right? ''翼 = wing, right? ''

But since 松(song) refers to a pine tree, would SIU not be making an allusion here? That the form of a tree with wings(as branches), resembles the form of a pine tree. Because tree actually means <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'TimesNewRoman';font-size:medium;line-height:normal;">樹 or <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'TimesNewRoman';font-size:medium;line-height:normal;">树(shu) in Chinese and I'm sure they'd call it another word in Korean.

http://www.mandarintools.com/cgi-bin/wordlook.pl?word=%E6%A8%B9&searchtype=trad&where=start

Also, not really sure why The Company called it "moonlight" instead of "moon".

Tofu21 12:50, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">About main/branch families: l'm quoting Chinese tradition here. The wife of the main family probably stayed together with the family head, together with her children, right? And the other wives either lived separately or together, right? Well, they didn't get to stay with the house head unless they were really favoured, right?

<p style="margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:1em;">Same for those males who were married to the female head, right? :P

I don't know if matriarchal systems existed in Korea/China but whatever, there's not much proof for that. Historians just keep unearthing information that complicate or contradict the entire issue but I don't know. I guess whatever the case, we can take that outside the Tower, they may practise matriarchal systems in some areas.

Oh boy... why so confusing. xD

Tofu21 15:15, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Np, take your time translating 'cos you're still celebrating, right? :P How much soju did you drink?

Ah well, about WingTree: Ah, there's the similarity, I guess, it's just so darn similar to a pine tree. I'll just take your word for it, though and note SIU probably chose the name for another purpose.

http://peacockranch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pine-tree-10.jpg

Ah yes, lets just see if it's the male or daughter who carries on the family. Because of the Princesses system, the family would have problems if they put all their hopes into some daughter.

Tofu21 02:41, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

And yep, it's a good thing Gizmos... well, she was nice enough to give me the link. ^^

Tofu21 12:54, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, you've been here for only a few days and your Talk Page is exploding. You've my sympathies, man. :P K can you give me the Korean characters and reading for "tree"? Trust me, I dare not blindly copy from endic.naver.com

Could be <span class="fnt_k06" style="font-family:gulim;font-size:13px;font-weight:bold;">나무 or anything else. Because I'm gonna be putting this stuff on the Wingtree page, if you think it's okay to do so.

Also, check this out: http://towerofgod.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Tofu21/Terms_used_by_The_Company (I just copied everything off some link)

Tofu21 06:06, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your effort in showing me there're so many terms. It makes complete sense after all, since well... Asian languages are so complex. ><;;

btw, how do you romanise these 2? I'm sorry, I doubt even if I master the alphabet, I can romanise it properly. Though I must say the Korean alphabet is a lot easier to learn than Chinese. So logical!
 * 나무 목, 木 I'm just coming up with things like (namu mog/mok, mu4)
 * 나무 수,c(namu su, shu4)

Tofu21 07:49, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Haha, it took me about 15 to 20 mins to find an alphabet chart and then piece the sounds together because I didn't know anything about hangul before then. :P

Tofu21 08:34, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Here we go
<span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;">Compiled by GoDai and Tofu21:

If SIU wanted to use an ambiguous term like “tree”, he would’ve used 木나무 목, (mu4, nahmoo/namu). Or perhaps "樹, 나무 수(nahmoo/namu soo/su)". In Chinese, both "木(mu4)" and "樹(shu4)" refer to tree.

However, he specifically used "松 소나무 송(song1, soo/su manu shu)" where “松” and “소나무” mean “pine tree” in Chinese/Korean. And SIU didn’t use any other botanical terms to describe the Walhaiksong.

So, SIU is probably alluding to several imageries or meanings. The first being: the form of a tree with wings in place of branches resembles a pine tree. The others are unknown for the time being.

Also, Chinese is very heavy on context and tends to "exclude" characters so a phrase/sentence becomes more elegant. So direct translation isn't always advisable. Or else, we could end up with something like “Under the moon, a pine tree with wings.”

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The above is going up on the Walhaiksong page. :P Also hahaha thanks... :P

Also, you've been doing a great job translating so far. I'm sure you'll get great results for your exams. Hwaiting! :D

I'd also give anything to see a bunch of pine trees with wings. Then, we could have a fun time watching demonic pine trees running away and hearing the owners scream: "Come back here, you rascal!" Then we could have turf wars too(the Grand Turf Wars of the Ultimate Pine Trees), provided they don't nuke the entire earth.

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Tofu21 09:37, June 28, 2012 (UTC)