Talk:Enryu/@comment-28805348-20160705184138/@comment-26484417-20160706101044

@Red Shinsoo: Well, to start with, I have never said nor implied any of the things you brought up. In other words, you just criticised your own contributions to this discussion.

Moving on, "I said the Family Heads PROBABLY could do it seeing as we dont know thier full powers who knows but i guess immortality must mean nothing to you even though its the Word of God and SIU has written this". What exactly do you claim that SIU said? He said that Family heads--with one notable exception--are immortal, and that Zahard cannot be killed by those who are subject to the Tower's laws. Neither of that supports your other claims; in fact, it's unrelated to what we were talking about.

As for Zahard's immortality itself, there is nothing to support the theory that Guardians are also affected. In fact, the Guardian who made the contract would have to have enough power to constrain (i.e., overpower) himself in order for this to be true. So if we assume that all Guardians are equal in power, or that separate "Zahard immortality" contract had to be made on every Floor with the different Guardians, then Zahard isn't safeguarded from any Guardian. And if we assume that Guardians have different levels of power, then the best case for Zahard is that he's safeguarded from all but one or two of them (i.e., the Guardian who made the contract, and maybe the Guardian of 135F that should be outside of Zahard's contracts thus far), and the worst case is that he's safeguarded from none of them. Though this also assumes that the Guardian that has the power to constrain weaker Guardians would also be inclined to do this. After all, Hendo's case tells us that Irregulars have no real bargaining power when it comes to contracts.

Addendum: We're comparing Irregulars who reached the "top" to other Irregulars who reached the "top"; are we not? If that's the case, then the same kind of comparison between non-Irregulars who reached the "top" must be possible also. And if there is an unimaginable gap in power on one side, what could possibly make you think that there isn't any notable gap on the other side?