Talk:Urek Mazino/@comment-25346948-20160919175745/@comment-26854521-20160920120725

Show/Hide Offtopic Why can you assume that he went there? There is no basis for that. There is so much more indicating that he didn't, and even if you don't see that, he was on the Train or he wasn't, either way it's an assumption. You don't seem to understand the concept of necessity and sufficiency, which is what I would call basics.

And I never stated that Enryu couldn't have been on the Train, because it wasn't mentioned, just that it is very unlikely. You really like to pretend that I try to present facts, while you keep selling your assumptions as the theory that has to proven wrong, when you actually fail to bring up any evidence for them yourself. Most of the time you're even unable to form out your points, or you change them up a little bit, but never state them, I'd assume because you realize how stupid most of them would sound, but then again I can't be sure here, but I'm positive you can make it sound like I am.

I've explained the lack of information part 5 times by now and you still don't get it. You tried to explain it with a false analogy, by comparing it with your country of origin.... . You don't seem to understand the context of the information we have here. The GoG is the authority on Revolution on the Train. He actually tries to figure out how Baam's Revolution goes and compares him to the other Irregulars he has seen. And it's not just what he's saying, it is what he's thinking. Do you actually thinks it's plausible that Enryu went through Revolution, but was never mentioned by the GoG trying to figure out  Baam? When do you think that topic is ever going to come up, if not now? When Baam meets Enryu? Don't you think they have more than enough to talk about even without that? But hey sure, the only thing we can assume is that Enryu should have been on the Train, because he either knew about it beforehand or found it by accident, then he decided that he needed Revolution, and indeed he went through it all. Then the GoG who is vehemently trying to figure out what's going on with Baam, can think about Zahard and the 10, and how Baam is different, but for some reason he can't think about Enryu. Now was Enryu also different, but not different enough from Zahard and the 10, so that he wasn't worth being mentioned, or was he different from Zahard and the 10 but similar to Baam, or was he different from all of them, but the GoG simply couldn't get himself to think about him, or remember, when he still talks about Zahard and the 10 as kids.

The plausible explanation for him not mentioning other Irregulars is that he has not seen them. It is possible that he has, but that is neither likely nor supported by anything in the plot. He states Baam is different from Zahard+10(and Urek according to the old thing, but that doesn't matter for the point). You tried to bring up that he might not have mentioned them because of the time they entered. Urek being the most recent one for example (which also falls through now, but it's not like that point would stand very well regardless), but why would the GoG use time to decide who to mention, when he has been in that place for thousands of years. That was literally the worst excuse that you could have come up with aside from cherry picking to leave out Rachel and Phanta in that argument.

I really hope you don't reply to this, anyway I had my fun here so I'm not gonna complain.

Edit: I think you've wasted most of your time trying to use the things you've read in that one book about logical fallacies. The person who gave to you for christmas has probably stopped talking to you afterwards, because you couldn't stop talking about it. Glad you found a new outlet, though, xD.