Talk:Enryu/@comment-26854521-20160715091728/@comment-26854521-20160715122602

Huh? When people refer to reaching the Top, it usually means that they get there for the first time. So in the alternative scenario with him being a Ranker before killing the Guardian, your statement makes absolutely no sense. He received the nickname 'Guardian Murderer' after killing the Guardian, there's absolutely no additonal hard information. You've already admitted that you refer to the Sobriquet(TOG title), so why not just admit that you made a mistake? The Sobriquets are listed on the Ranker's profiles and this one is not on Enryu's.

Also why do you act like I need an extra assumption here. It's exactly the other way around. To my knowledge he never used the term for Sobriquet for just a 'mere nickname'. And he didn't use it for 'Guardian Murderer'. That is a fact. You on the other hand are making the assumption the the term used before the 'Guardian Murderer' has a special meaning as well, or you are at the very least stating that there's a possibility for that.

I've already looked at this page and didn't like the wording, since it implies things that are not confirmed, something I thought you'd dislike as well, rather than trying to use it for your own arguments. That's rather disappointing.

I also tried really hard to explain to you why you shouldn't put your emphasis on the word sobriquet, but it seems I have failed once again, but I'm gonna try it one last time. TOG is in Korean. When I write Sobriquet, I myself don't think about the English word (or French or whatever you want to call it, I think about what it represents in the TOG world. SIU didn't chose the word sobriquet, it's merely a translation of his original term, that may or may not have a different usage and implications.  In other words. It doesn't matter if  이명 translates to sobriquet or not. What's important is that the term SIU uses  ( 이명 ) has a special meaning inside of the Tower(title for High Rankers).

" PS: You're underestimating my research into the linguistic perspective. I didn't merely look for the most common use, I looked into all possible translations of those two words I could find. It's not that "sobriquet" is a rare translation for the word used for ToG Sobriquet, it simply isn't translation for that word at all; as far as I could find in any dictionary (incl. Naver's), it's only a synonym."

I don't understand this part. How can a word be a synonym, but not a translation? There's obviously a certain degree as to how interchangable two words can be and how they can be not perfectly synonymous, but I'm fairly confident that the online dictionaries you've checked don't go that far as to distinguish to such an extent, they are simply not 'complete' or perfect.

Edit: To add something to the actual topic. I think Enryu's thorn might also be a good indicator of when he killed him. It was said that it's the only thing left behind there. If Enryu was still opnely in the Tower and climbing, that would be a lot less mysterious. And people could/would ask him about stuff.