Talk:Enryu's Thorn/@comment-26484417-20151215003247/@comment-6166034-20151215162010

@Athanos : "neither of what you said disproves the possibility", oh and nothing that you say makes it more possible, btw I didn't say "it's impossible" I said "it makes no sense". " one can easily notice lacking information in certain aspects" no you're just assuming there should be more, look at the needle article, it's not like there's much more to say about needles. " as well as ambiguity in the definition of what Wand actually can be." idk who've put that Yeongsuk's rings are wands, but as long as it isn't substantified, that's somebody who's put an assumption on the page, and that's not cool for you (also, they concidered rings that shoot shinsoo beams as wands, but not Akraptor's umbrela...that shoots shinsoo beams). Just concider that the item system and shinsoo etc... has been decided even before this actual version of ToG, and that if the only information is "manipulate or generate a certain quantity of shinsoo" it doesn't tell if it can transform it (electric properties like black march), but that means that's what it does, and not your dreams of whatever. "very much like different type of observer" : idk about diff types of observers, I know about diff types of lighthouses, and mostly the difference is the quality of suspendium =distance and power of the lighthouses' techniques, which means the effects are very well known and don't have " additional beneficial effect". If we follow the Arkraptor assumption, then the thorn isn't a wand because Baam also used it directly to pierce Reflejo.

@Snakehead10 : caracteristics of shinsoo are Bang, Myun ans Soo, and yes now Baam can make contracts with floor guardians, however, that's what happened on the crown game, he could use shinsoo without a contract.