Talk:Enryu/@comment-28805348-20160705184138/@comment-26484417-20160708093421

@Red Shinsoo: Let me try this another way, you already included this very possibility--though you called it a “loophole”--in one of your previous comments. You suggested that Guardians may be able to rescind the contract they have issued. The question is, if you think they have enough power to rescind the contract, why are you so sure that they aren’t powerful enough to simply ignore the contract in the first place?

Even if we assume that there is indeed some power variation among Guardians, they should be--very much like Irregulars to non-Irregulars--quite a different level of existence to non-Irregulars and Irregulars, which means that they have their own standards. Since none of the 10 Family Heads can even defeat Zahard, it’s doubtful that any of them can defeat even the weakest Guardian. For them, Enryu’s feat should be quite astonishing. As for Zahard and Urek, we don’t know who is stronger, by how much, and whether one or both of them could defeat a Guardian, but they should have considerably better chance than the Family Heads. That said, the posts by SIU suggest that Enryu is considerably more powerful than these two, so it’s quite possible that this feat of his is beyond them as well. Naturally, if lower Floor Guardians are weaker than the higher Floor Guardians, then it’s more likely that even Enryu cannot defeat the higher Floor Guardians, but it doesn’t really suggest that Family Heads--or even Zahard himself--should be able to defeat the weaker Guardians.

This was "Irregular to Guardian" situation, but the very same principle applies to "non-Irregular to Irregular". All Irregulars end up tremendous powerhouses in the end, and some non-Irregulars (e.g., Lero-ro) cannot even phantom touching them, but others (e.g., Baek Ryun, Adori Zahard) could probably wipe the Floor with the weaker Irregulars. The difference is that there are FAR more non-Irregulars than Irregulars (i.e., decent odds for non-Irregular more powerful than weaker Irregulars to appear), while there are far fewer Irregulars than there are Guardians (i.e., given the lacking representation of Irregulars, Enryu could be considered a statistical miracle).

While you’re right that the statement does exist and matters, you must keep in mind that it was mentioned in a conversation between two non-Irregulars. From the perspective of non-Irregulars, Guardians aren’t even part of the Tower’s competition; as far as we know, they are pretty much only referees and facilitators. What would make you think that “only an Irregular can kill Zahard” said by a non-Irregular, accounts for Guardians as well as non-Irregulars and Irregulars? That assumption alone is suspicious and cannot be supported, which is why I say that the resulting argument isn’t supported.

I’m not saying that they wait, I’m saying that when there are more Rankers, there are—by definition—more High Rankers. To illustrate, if only the top1000 Rankers (i.e., 100 000 Rankers total) are considered High Rankers, and the Ranker #1001 cannot make the one additional rank no matter how hard they try yet they also don't allow anyone to overtake them, then this #1001 will suddenly become a High Ranker regardless of all other factors after 100 or more (weaker) Regulars make it to the top. My point was simply to illustrate that the difference between Rankers and High Rankers isn’t existential; High Rankers are merely a sub-set of Rankers with a particular ranking criterion.

Finally, I’m not saying it’s strange that they asked for immortality, I’m saying that it’s strange all of them would automatically settle for lesser immortality than Zahard. Maybe some of them wouldn’t be interested, but that none of them would be interested is extremely unlikely. And this is made even more apparent with Hendo, who was given even lesser “immortality” than his peers. This pretty much suggests that they didn’t have the bargaining power to ask for a better deal, and I imagine that there was an upper-limit offer even for Zahard; after all, he still isn’t Omnipotent, Omniscient, nor Omnipresent, right?