Talk:Wonsulsa/@comment-26484417-20151130164922/@comment-26484417-20151202175833

@Demotivator: You're right, not all Baangs take form of spheres, but vast majority do (like Ho, Daniel, Baam since 2F, Ren, Ran, and depending on your angle even Anak, Reflejo, Beta, etc.) and in all cases, even if the shape is non-spherical, it's easier to create a disc shape by flattening (Dansulsa) it than by circulation (Wonsulsa).

Remember how Ran often forms a sphere in his hand before he shoots out the technique? Or how Daniel does the same exact thing? There are few other examples I can think of, but regardless, there appears to be little to no difference between these and Love's Beam Cannon.

I never said it's a Dansulsa technique, I only suggested that it would be simpler to create a disc platform by application of pressure (=flattening) than circulation... We know that Dansulsa techniques are about applying pressure on certain areas, there is lack of details, but from this everyone can infer there is application of pressure involved. My suggestion was and still is that it's neither Dansulsa nor Wonsulsa...

Since my last reply, I thought of a way how circulation could be used to create a disc platform: pizza style. BUT both the Dansulsa (=flattening) and the Wonsulsa (=circulating) approaches only make the resulting structure weaker, there appears to be no benefit to applying any special manipulation to technique that is meant only for movement / utility. Especially when we know such structures can be created without any special manipulation, like Laure's shield.

I admit that I focus on the offensive capability, but I never said it cannot be used for defence... It's just that the offensive examples came to mind... and Love did not show any defensive techniques, unless you count evasion as defence. If Blue Oar was actually a shield technique that employed circulation / rotation to boost the defensive potential, I would be happy because that is also a reasonable application.

As for your example for example's sake, I agree that wooden arrow with or without rotation has very little chance to pierce a rock, and that steel arrow has notably better chances at doing the job. So how do you propose the "wooden arrow" becomes "steel arrow" via circulation? Naturally, I'm not talking about conversion of wood to steel, but in general, how do you increase "strength" (= the meaning you refer to) of something by circulation?

We both agree that Pitch Changeup is a Wonsulsa technique, so let's consider this use-case. We know that neither Love's nor Viole's hand / arm was in any way affected by the technique (no change on the surface, no difference in colour or shape, nothing), only that the Shinsoo started circulating around the arm, and the penetration power of the attack went up. In fact, it looked as if someone suddenly activated a drill (same principle as for the projectiles). If we both agree on this (correct me if you see it differently), how do you see the circulation effect and improvement in strength on Blue Oar technique? It clearly does not rotate or circulate when people ride / stand on it, otherwise you could see them rotating / circulating with it...