Talk:White/@comment-27017935-20151209175307/@comment-26854521-20151209193944

There is a connection between them either way. Macseth, leader of the workshop, made the White Oar, and I highly doubt that he did it for free or because he likes Arie Hon that much. It is also said that he has artificially created children and maybe he got some of Arie Hon's blood or cells in exchange for the White Oar and used that to make his children (Hoaquin's and his sibling's father). Children of great family heads seem to be rather rare in the tower, except for Koons and Bloodmadders and it'd be strange to me if he had five kids like that at the same time as them being around him that much. They also seem kinda weird for their status as well as being very interested in research (Vicente seems to read a lot and Hoaquin was the one doing research on the soul eating spells).

The workshop also created the Hell Train and Hoaquin and his siblings ending up there might not be much of a concidence.

That's pulling a lot out of my ass, though :)