Talk:Twenty-Fifth Baam/Abilities and Powers/@comment-47.138.224.21-20170115063141/@comment-26484417-20170119151356

@EternET: This is going nowhere so let me end with this one:

First, this "So with your "semantic" you like to placate everywhere, you use "using", which has the same causal link as my "because"." is simply not true; it's merely a tautology of sorts, there is no reasoning that links the two in your nor my post--not in this regard anyway. That said, the very first paragraph of your post is quite close--though there are some discrepancies that somewhat alter the underlying notion--, but since this is merely a paraphrased version of what I wrote and not what figures in your reasoning (before or since), I defer to my previous judgement.

Second, the Urek example, you say he didn't use Shinwonryu when he stopped Prince and Horyang, but how do you know that? (NOTE: By the way, you may reread the chapter, a lot of things exploded.) For one, Urek's Baangs looked like a low-resolution version of Baam's and GoG's Baangs (not the first time this happened). Moreover, Urek's move had no name at the time, so no one--aside from SIU--should be able to tell whether it was or wasn't Shinwonryu. Finally, if (1) Shinwonryu is the only way to control Shinsoo without contract--and Urek exclusively controls Shinsoo without contract (something that SIU may have changed his mind about since then)--, then Urek used Shinwonryu; however, if (2) there are different ways to control Shinsoo without contract, then Urek may or may not have used Shinwonryu, and it would fit in with what I said before.