Talk:Wonsulsa/@comment-26484417-20151130164922/@comment-5693502-20151205034049

Even if you add "control" to both, circulation is more efficient; even in reality flattening a sphere would lead to deformities. Although, this is a fantasy setting where a miracle substance is in play, so yes, the rules of reality probably do not apply here.

Ah, but the difference here is that these guys are merely collecting/gathering shinsoo and the default shape this takes on is spherical (much like how the default appearance for most people's baangs appears to be spherical). So, under the assumption that Beam Cannon is Wonsul, the difference would be that Love's ball would have been specifically moulded/manipulated to be stronger/denser. As for Ran, we all know he uses electricity to attack with so that small orb of shinsoo at his fingertips is obviously nothing more than Ran gathering shinsoo in preparation to fire off an electrical attack (which he did almost immediately after the orb's formation). Personally, I don't really see how recoil rings don't indicate anything at all since lots of attacks we've seen in the series give off recoil rings. Recoil rings seem more aesthetic than anything, almost as if to indicate that a technique has occurred (if the technique is difficult to see for example). Your own definition of Wonsul, "increasing penetrating power through introducing rotation / circulation of the attack", doesn't fit with the one we've been given ("circulate shinsoo in order to create a perfect circle that has greater strength whilst retaining the same myun and soo"). In all the translations of the original blog post I've seen, they all say something along the lines of, "circulation/rotation of shinsoo into a perfect circle/sphere; the perfect circle/sphere is greater in strength". Again Blue Oar fits this translated definition.

Well sure, if a circular construct gets thinner and larger it becomes structurally weaker (at least in particular planes and dimensions), although the actual material of the construct also plays a role (and with a miracle substance like shinsoo, normal rules are thrown out of the window). Yes, I'd also expect to see techniques that rival Blue Oar on higher Floors, although I doubt they'd be Wonsul techniques. Even so, in the end, the power/application of a technique depends on the user.

When you write it like that, then yes the interpretation fails to work, so I'll try to clear things up and explain what I mean as best as I can. I never said Blue Oar was the more difficult technique to learn, in fact I mentioned that is was probably one of the most basic applications of Wonsul since it's merely a disc of shinsoo (used for high-speed movement and rudimentary flight). What I did say is that since Pitch Changeup appears only to be the rotation of shinsoo, so in theory it should be easier to do than rotating shinsoo into a perfect circle/sphere. Wonsul principles are still being applied so it would still count as Wonsul, in my opinion. However, since I don't know the exact mechanics of the technique I can't be completely sure; there may have been other factors that contributed to Pitch Changeup that made it more complicated. Or Love could've just been surprised that Viole was able to mimic every single technique he performed. It probably sounds like I'm clutching at straws, but Pitch Changeup wouldn't be the first technique whose exact mechanics have been left in the dark (Black Fish, Novick's moves, Urek's move etc.).

Well, here's SIU's original blog post. I can't read hangul or hanja so it's lost on me, but you can check it out and see what you find ^^

You're right, my arguments are justifications. Though you're only putting forward your own definition of Wonsul as well as trying to rebut any points I make to justify the definition we've got. The definition of Wonsul has come from what I believe to be a trusted source and, although there may (or may not) be discrepancies between the definition we have and the definition that SIU has tried to get across, we can't know for sure until (preferably) a Korean native says otherwise. I wish we could ask GoDai (a Korean native and one of the translators for TheCompany) but he's not active on wiki anymore.

Obviously, the concept wouldn't be based on other things described in the story, it is it's own skill after all. I am under the impression that SIU might have been inspired somewhat by the w:c:naruto:Rasengan technique from the Naruto series, though this remains to be seen. I will mention one more thing as I try to justify why Beam Cannon, Blue Oar and Pitch Changeup can all be considered Wonsul (even if they don't all seem to fit the definition). In the second portion of SIU's blog explaining Wonsul (which I seemed to have completely neglected), SIU says that Wonsulsa can use shinsoo as a booby-trap and then goes on to say that, like Love, Wonsulsa can throw shinsoo as balls (Beam Cannon) or attack with a spinning reinforced body (Pitch Changeup). The booby-trap part implies Wonsul can be used for support techniques which indirectly infers that Blue Oar is a Wonsul (considering it fits most of the definition too).

No no, no need to apologise for the long reply, it means you had a lot to say ! I've definitely enjoyed our 'debate', even if you still have me unconvinced with your stance on the argument hehehe ^^ I guess we can only wait for either clarification from SIU or corroboration regarding the definition of Wonsul from a native Korean before we can come to a conclusion.