Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24431758-20140313050841/@comment-45782749-20200520160407

Doingyourmum69 wrote: People don't hate rachel cause she is a normal person and still gets to be a main character, people hate her cause she's a massive bitch. Look at isu, he's pretty much just a normal person. He has shown no talent other than being smart in some situations. I think rachel is probably on the same level of intelligence given all her manipulation and schemes. And rachel is hated whereas Isu is not. Maybe rachel had a bad upbringing or something and that's why she is the way she is, but you can't say "shes not bad, she was just treated badly and that's why she acts like that" cause no matter the reason, bad = bad. Rachel reminds me a lot of a quote by a character in black clover: "there's nothing wrong with being weak, but there is something wrong with staying weak" it was something along those lines and i feel that it fits rachel perfectly. Rachel doesn't even try to get stronger, infact, the whole way up the tower she has just tried to leech off others and get them to climb the tower for her while she basically contributes nothing. The whole reason for her involvement on the hell train was so she could revive white and then use him to climb the tower. This is different to everyone else, who actually try to grow and get stronger in order to climb the tower. There was one scene I remember where everyone was walking, except rachel, who decided to float along on her lighthouse. It shows that she literally does not try to do anything. She claims all this bullshit about bam being chosen and how its so unfair while she does literally nothing to get herself out of her situation. It's like incels who blame their looks for everything and claim everyone is just shallow and don't even try to fix themselves.

So yeah, in conclusion we don't hate rachel cause shes just an ordinary person among all the geniuses, we hate here cause she doesn't even try to attain any degree of talent while still complaining about unfairness. Firstly: Shibisu isnt a main character. Main characters are people like Baam, Rachel , Khun , and maybe someone like Karaka or the one who is supposed to be his brother.

Second: Shibisu has no characterization whatsoever other than being nice and friendly to his friends and a comic relief-type character. I don't think we know much about his past. Not to mention that when he entered the tower an adult trained martiala artist, and even if he was not exceptional in comparison to others he is not a normal human. He could probably beat most normal people's ass even before he entered the tower.

Third: I didn't say that people hate her because she is a main character but is normal. She represents many bad things about the human nature and people don't want to be reminded about those shortcomings,which they may share, in a show full of geniuses and superhumans.

Fourth: I don't say that any of the bad things she has done is good, they are acts of betrayal and 'leeching' but just saying bad is bad and she doent deserve to climb the tower because she hasn't worked hard for it when her role is LITERALLY the strategic information gatherer type is just ignorant. For all we know she has the skills required to be in the rank that she is. We just see Baam and Khun outsmarting and outpowering everyone and we think that she doesnt deserve anything that she has or has no merit at all.

And bad = bad is the most black and white thing I have heard. It's like saying killing people in a war is bad because killing people is bad. No excuses. Not really an argument there...