Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-89.117.51.149-20160603130922/@comment-142.129.56.244-20170205114728

TonySansNom wrote: 74.71.195.166 wrote:

EternET wrote: Already Zahard vs Urek, Zahard wins because of experience and Guardians' contracts. Even worse if it's a team death match, as Zahard can pretty much have the ten Family heads with him, while there's nobody up to this that Wolhaiksong can have against that.

So now about Enryu, that I believe CAN kill Zahard AND the 10 Families' heads in a one vs all scenario. It's simple, Enryu is the "God of Shinsoo", and that makes it all. Zahard and Co failed the test of a guardian/Enryu killed a Guardian. Plus concidering Irregulars freely use shinsoo (and soon we'll read what the "origin" technique's about), the "more than 9000" baangs thing becomes even less trivial.

Funny thought, I think Headon is looking for Enryu, to bind him with a contract "like Rachel" and force him to unlock the last floors of the tower. The topic was Enryu vs Urek (I vote for Enryu simply the overwhelming description and achievement), not Urek vs Zahard and most definitely not Urek vs Zahard & Co. Most discussions and speculations are between two beings because that's what makes an interesting conversation and argument. Also, I fail to see how the tower's contract plays any role since Urek is an irregular; being born outside the tower voids the contract of invincibility towards those born within the tower. If based on just facts alone, Urek has conquered the tower faster than Zahard's time and Zahard climbed it with the 10 families, couple princesses, luslec, and pretty much all the top rankers. How much "experience" Zahard actually has over Urek and its actual significance have not been stated by Siu nor the comic but my opinion of it would be that it's not far off as both accomplished the same feat in terms of the struggle of tower climbing. Especially now while Zahard is inactive and Urek is still actively improving, working towards his goals. It is my opinion that Urek would win vs Zahard but it would be a very close victory and a great battle that is not one sided. All in all, Zahard and Urek are close in strength but definitely clear victory for Enryu

You have to take into account that when Jahad and the ten great warriors climbed the tower (helped by others as well) there wasn't such a system in place yet. What they did, logically, is that they took floor guardian tests (because they are the ones who created the "regular climbing system" in the first place).

We don't know how Urek climbed the tower. Did he climb the regular way? Did he climb the irregular way? Or was it a mix of both? Urek record is indeed incredible (one tenth the average ranker, and Urek still had time to pay regular visit to Baek Ryun if it hasn't been retconned) but I don't think it can be compared to a full very difficult guardian-test climb. Urek climed the regular way. If he used a diiferent method, he would most likely have climed the tower even quicker.