Talk:Rachel/@comment-82.239.18.156-20160208132220/@comment-6166034-20160214104119

@Anonymous (sorry bro create an account) : Actually it's very probable (not sure) that Phantominum left the tower (since he's an absolute being/has lots of powers, and SIU said we'll never see him. I admit it's only one very satifying reason why we'll never see him).

The rest is your opinion against my opinion. Nothing is absolutely proven or disproven. That's why I've put a "my take" and gave arguments and bits that feed them.

@Grz349 : That's actually very interesting because it's not only a terminology used by Yuri, but by "God" of the guardians who seems to have a sense for this kind of things, and know more about the tower and the "irregulars". And there we have somewhat a clue that he's there to " train those that opened the gates themselves", and what he's doing was done to the "Jahad kids" = Zahard and the 10 GW => They all opened the gates themselves imo.

But now the trouble becomes that Rachel didn't meet God of the guardians ( or at least yet), and so is still in a somewhat undecisive position right now. And we have to wonder if she never meets God of the guardian, at least concidering this "decisive test", well she didn't qualify, or we could say "the tower didn't lead her there" (because really what happened to Baam and co was that they went through a teleportation gate and found God of the guardians on the first try, plus the "feeling" that Baam had for taking his test).

@Demontivator : Zahard's name is the most remembered because he did the most and became the king of the tower (and probably he had the greatest power among them, and perhaps the greatest resolution). But that's in no way an indication that before and for the entering of the tower, they were his "underlings" (except Arie Hon, that's exactly his story). And also that doesn't mean Zahard opened the gates and left them enter through.

And now I have this part with God of the Guardian (Vol.2 Ch. 169) that, for me, is decisive.

And if you want a "One piece" comparison, yeah the crews are "their capitain"'s crew, and strawhat pirates are the crew of strawhat Luffy their captain. But that doesn't mean the members of the crew are anyway less special than their captains: Potgass D. Ace and Blackbeard were part of Whitebeard Pirates, Shanks and Silver Rayleigh were part of Roger Pirates. Furthermore, the members of the strawhat Pirates have all their own reputation/infamy and so their own bounty (even Chopper, come on !) = they all qualify as pirates.