Talk:White/@comment-5693502-20151209230514/@comment-26484417-20151210220604

First, no one said Viole was the first to use “unconscious Shinsoo”, in fact, the story said he was not the first. Anyway, we know that the people from the 10 Great Families either already have contracts for most floors, or at least know how to establish the contract before they even start to climb. Moreover, we were told that the only other person who is known to control Shinsoo without any contract is Urek, and presumably other less known Irregulars... All of this was explicitly covered during the 2F arc.

Second, the Thorn may or may not be the most powerful item in the Tower, but its effect(s) is / are pretty much unknown. Imagine the Thorn can facilitate “shortcut” to the dormant powers of an individual, and / or boost the power of an individual to the point where Regulars can reach the power levels of Irregulars... Either one of these abilities alone would make it truly the most powerful item in the Tower for most. While, at the same time, it would have no (known) effect on Irregulars who already awakened all their dormant powers. There are other possible effects it may have, but so far this is all we have seen.

As for Viole being long dead without the Thorn... That is completely unsupported statement; all we know is that he has the Thorn and that he is still alive. Saying that he is still alive because of the Thorn is nothing more than an example of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

The first part of the second paragraph clearly isn’t for me to address; some Buelsar fan can take care of that... =P

Third, there are no “others” when it comes to Thorns’ power boosting effect. Viole is the only person who has ever wielded the Thorn, and all we have seen so far is its effect on Viole’s “dormant power” self. Given the description of “Revolution”, it’s entirely possible the Thorn no longer has any observable effect on Viole now that his dormant powers are no longer dormant.

In fact, the most sensible approach could be to view Thorn as part of Viole himself (another limb), not as something Viole has in his possession. This means it's no longer possible to separate the two, even in the semantic sense, when talking about their power. In other words, statement like “the power of the Thorn” should be analogous to “the power of Viole’s right arm”... Especially from what we have seen after the first stage of the "Revolution"...